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Living an Intentional Life with Joel Lindeman

• Scott Vatcher • Episode 11

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Ever wondered how you can transform your life with intentionality and sustainable inspiration? Join us with Joel Lindeman, the brilliant author of "Purposely Positive," as he reveals the essence of living a purposeful life. Joel unpacks the critical differences between fleeting motivation and lasting inspiration, showing us how to craft a life filled with joy and direction. We discuss how to respond thoughtfully to life's events and the importance of having a plan, even if it's only in your mind. Learn practical steps to turn your dreams into achievable goals, and understand why both long-term aspirations and short-term actions are essential for continuous progress.

In the second half of our engaging conversation, we focus on creating meaningful change through small daily habits. Joel guides us on identifying the 'why' behind our goals and offers insightful tips on breaking these down into manageable steps. Using relatable examples such as weight loss and meditation, we explore how tiny, incremental actions can lead to significant, lasting change. We also tackle the role of negative emotions like fear, showing how they can be catalysts for personal growth. By reflecting on what brings us joy, we can begin to uncover our true purpose and realize it’s okay not to have everything figured out. Don't miss this enriching discussion on how to live a fulfilling, intentionally positive life!

Takeaways

  • Living an intentional life means being deliberate and purposeful in creating the life we want.
  • Motivation is like a fire that can burn out, while inspiration is a sustainable source of joy and motivation.
  • Breaking down big goals into smaller, actionable steps helps us make progress and build habits.
  • Negativity is not inherently bad; it can be a catalyst for change and personal growth.
  • Identifying and removing anchors, such as limiting beliefs or habits, is crucial for personal development.
  • Work-life balance is about finding purpose and passion in both work and personal life, and taking care of oneself to maintain balance.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Book Overview
03:49 Living an Intentional Life
08:25 Setting Goals and Taking Small Steps
13:19 The Difference Between Motivation and Inspiration
14:44 Identifying and Removing Anchors
19:02 The Importance of Negativity
22:32 Understanding Purpose
27:47 Work-Life Balance


Speaker 1:

I'm Scott Vatcher, the host of Questioning Authority, where I question authority figures about health, wealth and relationships. This episode is brought to you by TheAuthorityCocom, helping health professionals be seen as the go-to authority in their community. I hope you enjoy this episode. Welcome to the Questioning Authority podcast. I'm your host, Scott Vatcher, and I question authority figures in business, health and relationships to help you, the listener, to achieve better outcomes in both your business and your life. And I've got with me today my special guest, joel Lindeman. Thanks for being on the show, joel.

Speaker 2:

Thanks for having me Honored to be here.

Speaker 1:

I met Joel on social media and it was really very quickly the title of his book that really got me intrigued, and so we're going to dive deep into this book because I think there's a lot of value in there for the listeners here, who are mainly health professionals, and it can be a tough gig for us as health professionals. So the title of this book is called Purposely Positive, and I think having that positive outlook and mental attitude is so huge in today's world where there's so much negativity. And we're going to talk about negativity and how that could be a very good thing and I'm very curious to see what Joel's response is to that. But let's talk about the book. It's called Purposely Positive and you talk about living an intentional and inspired life. I want to break down those words for the audience. What do you mean when you use the word intentional?

Speaker 2:

Well, I think that too many people, in a way, kind of float through life and I don't mean that necessarily, they just do whatever happens to them. But I think, in order to really create the life that we want to have and to be our best future self, I think we really need to be intentional about it. We need to have a plan. It doesn't have to be specifically written out for decades to come or anything, but I think that life is what? Not about what happens to us you know, we've heard that before it's about how we respond to it and I think at any given moment, we have the ability to decide what we want to do with what's happening around us. And, um, if we create that as a purpose, you know daily saying that I want my life to be this certain way, we can move into that intentionally, saying, okay, I have a plan for what I want to be when I grow up, for lack of a better way to describe it. But in the future, instead of just dreaming, we put action steps into it. And, as far as inspired to me, inspiration versus motivation is a big thing I kind of touch on in the book and I think that too many times we get those two confused and I think that motivation is great.

Speaker 2:

I kind of compare motivation to happiness sometimes. Where they're both, it's a wonderful thing. But if we're chasing motivation or we're chasing happiness, we're going to kind of run out of things, because to me it's much more. Inspiration is more of a joy thing. To me it's much more of like if we look at happiness or motivation as kind of a fire. To me it's this big, giant fire and it's exciting and things can come from that, but that you can't sustain a large fire. It's more about being a coal smoldering joy behind that and inspiration to me is that. What do we draw from? We can always tap into inspiration if we have the intent to do so, and we can tap into joy in any circumstance.

Speaker 2:

And even if it's a real negative circumstance. We can learn from it and we can decide how is this going to better serve me in the future. So to me, I really think about being intentional with my life, about how can we become who we want to become for our families, for those that we serve and to those around us, and building that legacy with intent based on what I want to become, and how can I make this event help me more into that. That makes sense.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there's a little bit to break down there. So you know, let's go back, let's go back to intention. You sort of talk about it in a way of from what I got gathered from it and you expand on this, please. It's kind of like having a plan, but not necessarily something that's written down. So what are your thoughts on goals? Like, are goals something we should be shooting for? Is it something we should be like like?

Speaker 1:

I've heard such a big thing about positives and negatives. When it comes to like a to-do list which is kind of like a mini goal setting, like, I always view it sort of from a medium term perspective three to four months sort of goal patterns, and resetting every time because you get three, four months down the road, your goals could have changed, you could have. You know, things can change significantly. So what are your thoughts on? On that process of how, like getting into a little bit more nitty-gritty, on intention, like how, how can somebody who's maybe a little bit lost, like you said, floating I like that word because it is very true and if you you don't have an intention in life, you probably look back a year from now and go god, what have I done?

Speaker 1:

so what, what might be something you would say to somebody who's might, who's listening and and is a little bit stuck in that perspective, what's something they can do from an intentionality point of view to get the ball rolling?

Speaker 2:

Sure, I mean, I think that having big dreams and like even I know most people have well, I guess I shouldn't assume, but having a vision board or something like that where you have big dreams of the future, is very important. Board or something like that where you have big dreams of the future, is very important. But I think that, like you touched upon is, I think a lot of people from my experience will have these big dreams of the future and they don't have little steps on. Well, instead of 20 years from now, what's going to happen in the next three to six months? That that I want to get to, you know, and that's why a lot of people make vision boards and I know my family has done it before. We, you know, we make them, we put them in a closet and then you never look at them again because it was fun to cut those pictures out.

Speaker 2:

It's like oh, I'd love to have a yacht 20 years from now, but you don't know process of what does that look for in the next three to six months? So I'm to do list, I do a little bit of, but again I think that really I like to think of it as working from the back. So if I want to be at a certain spot in my life 20 years from now, what is a step I need? What will that look like a year from now? And so we kind of break it down into smaller pieces. I don't know if you know Vishen Lakhani. He's got a website called Mindvalley. He's an author and he does a bunch of inspirational things, but he talks about, basically, if you think of a quad, four boxes, and people can kind of fall into these boxes where you can be happy now With no dreams of the future. That's what I kind of alluded to like kind of floating, like you're just kind of well.

Speaker 2:

I'm happy, I'm comfortable, let's just go with that. Or you're unhappy now and you have huge dreams of the future, which is just as bad, you know, because you're like, why this big dream, but I have no process of how to get there Rarely, is anybody really unhappy now and have no dreams of the future?

Speaker 1:

And you know that that's.

Speaker 2:

You're in a really bad spot if that's the case. But he talks about the biggest. What he calls being in the flow is really being happy now and having dreams of the future. So I think breaking it down with intention is well. If I want to get to a certain point here in 20 years, five years, whatever, well, what am I doing now that'll help me become that person or help me get to those goals, and what small changes do I need to make in order for those goals to kind of take steps towards those?

Speaker 2:

I talk a little bit about it in the book, about a lot of people look for a big impact. They want to have lightning strike or something like that, and that's always kind of bugged me because we're not built to sustain large impacts anyway. It's really about small steps that get us to where we need to go. So instead of trying to make a huge change you know it's pretty early in the year still People with their New Year's resolutions are going to lose 50 pounds this year, you know, and that starts to fizzle out by March because it's too big of a goal and it's you know, it's not actionable. So I think really, if you have a goal to lose 50 pounds. If you need to want to do that, break it down. Well, that means I need to do two by next week or two by the end of the month. You know what I mean. To start breaking it down into smaller, more actionable steps.

Speaker 2:

The problem is, a lot of times people don't put the I. It doesn't look as glamorous. The small steps don't look nearly as glamorous as the big goal does. But the small steps are how you get to the big goal and the big goal, if you do enough of those small steps over and over the big goal, is just a marker. You're passing on the highway rather than being an end line. If that makes sense, you become the person that is worthy of those goals rather than trying to grab those goals themselves. So that's what I think is really about making the smaller steps.

Speaker 1:

And would that be described like what I'm hearing? There is habits, yeah, small habits over time, say in finances. You know we all have certain. I think that's a universal goal, no matter who you are. Every single person listening right now has some kind of financial goal, whether it be they want to achieve this amount of money, this amount of clients buy this thing, get this house. Whatever the case might be, finances is is a big one and like true growth in financial is is so boring. Yeah, it's the little, tiny, tiny little things you do. You know, get an account and put money away every month on auto debit, or you know these little things that if you just set them up and quote unquote, create a habit.

Speaker 1:

I mean those in reality, those are some of the simplest ones, because literally you just put it on autopilot and don't even look at it ever again, except for like 20 years from now, when that you know 50 bucks you put away is now a million bucks Like it's crazy, those types of things. But from a not financial point of view, from an inspired life point of view, it really is kind of the same thing, isn't it? It's the small habits and changes on a regular basis, whether it be daily or 10 times a day or weekly, that are going to make those huge changes. And I want to circle back to what you talked about before the difference between motivation and inspiration. To me it sounded like you were talking like.

Speaker 1:

I loved the way that you said motivation. I look at it like an emotion, like happiness, and happiness is one of those things that we feel like we want to achieve and it's like when you get there, you're there and we all know. In reality that's not the case. Happiness is an emotion that is felt for a certain period of time and then it leaves. It's impossible to have you have happiness all the time. So I love the idea of you looking at motivation in a very similar way, but the inspiration behind it being super key. So let's again talk about that a little bit more. What can be, you know, in your book, when you talk about inspiration, what's something that somebody can start doing today to create a small habit, to create or to look at inspiration in a different way.

Speaker 2:

Sure, well, I think again I think a little bit of it is if you want change. You know, for me it's a lot about inspiring change. And if you want to change anything in your life, you got to grasp the why of why you want to change. And then again there is an emotion that's attached to that, but you're not necessarily the big thing. I don't think you want to say when I get here I'll feel this emotion. The big thing to me is why do I want to feel that emotion? And then you can start to do steps that give you that emotion in a smaller scale.

Speaker 2:

One of the easiest analogies is losing weight. I have enough background as a personal trainer. I don't do it. I was certified for a very short period of time. Well, I'm still certified, I guess. But a lot of people want to lose weight and they have this big inspiration that they want to lose weight. And it's like well, why do you want to lose that weight and what's the impetus behind that? And then it's like well, because of this One of the things I talk about you keep asking the question, why? Like you're a two-year-old that keeps asking questions. So you get down to the nitty-gritty of what is the main reason that I want to lose the weight? And then if you get to that main reason, then you can do little things that get you that feeling and then just do those more and more over time. You know, um, uh, like you said about habit, there's another great book I read a lot, but it's a book called atomic habits.

Speaker 2:

It's one of my favorite books I've read and he talks, goes into great detail about how to build habits and it's nothing. Usually the people that want to create a new habit. There's a pretty big reason for creating that habit, but you don't get. You don't start a brand new habit. It has to be a very small one and into those steps to create those habits and you create the neural pathway to recreate those and keep doing it. So, um, in order to be inspired to, to change, I think you guys say, okay, well, what's the end goal, what's those small things that'll get me to that end goal? And then grab the emotion, attach it to those small things and just keep doing that consistently. If we look at it in a different realm, like meditation, I used to meditate a lot and I still do a little, but not nearly as much as I did.

Speaker 2:

I went all in on it too much again because I thought, oh, I could think meditation is going to be what I have to do to change. And I dove into it and it drove me nuts because I wasn't very good at it. So it got to the point where it became worse for me than the goal of wanting to do meditation was, you know, or not meditating, because it was more of like I can't stand that. So then you started breaking it. Like I can, I don't have to have a certain corner to meditate for an hour and a half. I can do a five minute meditation next to my bed in the morning, you know, and you do little, bite sized pieces and you get like it and you get better at it, and then you can expand on those and do more of what you want to do.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's a great point to, when you find something that you want to achieve, to look at one motivation, then two inspiration, and then fit it into you because we're all unique in that way where, again, meditation, you know, wasn't and still is a big buzzword, you know, just like breathwork or ice baths, or, you know, there's newer things that come along all the time and they may or may not work for you, but taking them for what they are and then modifying for your own personal style.

Speaker 1:

I totally agree with meditation as one too, where I've tried on and off, but I do feel like the shorter ones work better for me, that I put on my head and it gives me biofeedback and I found that to be an amazing change for me. Like meditation without that, without having something, a goal kind of thing to shoot for, like just meditate, for meditate was it's very difficult for me but but having that goal of, of creating that neurofeedback, instant neurofeedback, knowing that big picture yes, it was going to help, but short picture that I could really change the way that I, that that worked for me was huge for me and so that really worked for me. So, yeah, looking at that but then creating that sort of self-image or that impact that works just for you is really important. Yeah, for sure. In your book you talk about identifying and removing anchors and how important that is to create positivity. So what is an anchor?

Speaker 2:

So I think anything. Well, I mean, the easy answer is anything that's holding you back that from where you are now to where you want to be. You know it's an easy answer. The hardest part is identifying all of those and I think we really need to do some. If you want to change, you got to do some deep searching and name them all, or as many as you can. You probably won't get them all. You know what I mean. It's some of the you know like oh, my dad said this to me when I was three, or something like that. That's a big one. Those are the ones you go to a counselor for. You know things like that, yeah, but there's little ones of. Even some are just being comfortable.

Speaker 2:

Now, you know, um, kind of like we said with shen, let's head before if you're really comfortable and you think you want to change. But it's really hard to change your day-to-day life. If you're, if you're happy in it and you're content, you know um, even though you know you're not 100 content. That's why you have that little voice gnawing saying you do want to change. But I I think one of the biggest anchors is, you know, stepping out of your comfort zone and trying something different. That you know in the long run will probably yield better results. But it's scary to do that, you know. I mean you have to give up a little bit of what you have or who you are now in order to become something different.

Speaker 2:

So I think that's one of the biggest anchors but I talk a little bit about it is really delving into why you think you are the way you are right now, based on history, based on nature, and nurture both of those, and you kind of look into, well, what is it that that I am that this way and what about that is? Am I really happy with those? And some of those anchors are good, you know, like here's what, who made me who I am right now, and that's great and we can build upon that. But if there are certain things that I don't want to be part of me anymore, we got to kind of evaluate those and really delve into what those might be. And the only way to do that is again just asking yourself why and where it came from.

Speaker 2:

And then you know there is a thing in psychology where there's different schools of thought, where you have to go back into certain things and kind of remove them or overcome them in order to change who you are now. And I don't know if I agree with that 100%. I think of you, know your past created you where you are now and if there's something that is holding you back, you can figure out why and decide to change it now, rather than you can't go back and change it anyway. You know, I'm going to go back to what my dad said when I was young. My dad's a great person.

Speaker 2:

He never said anything to me when I was two, but it's things like that that are holding you back, even subconsciously, that I think, if you can delve into you know if there's anything that in your life, if you would write down a giant paragraph of who you are and there's anything in there that is a belief that who you are that you don't think will help you become who you want to be, that is an anchor and kind of figure out where that came from, you know. And then, regardless of where it came from, you can kind of say, well, I can decide to change that now you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think that's an important distinction. Is looking at beliefs right, because a belief in and of itself is not necessarily true? Right, we all have beliefs and we all have different beliefs. So, you know, from a strictly I don't know what you'd call it lack of a better term scientific point of view is if both of us have a different belief about the same thing which is true and which is not right. So a belief is something that we all gather through our lives and it creates our philosophy, right, it creates the way that we view the world. So I think, yeah, looking back to see which of these beliefs may have a negative impact, because I always look at it where you know, if you want to create change in any way in your life, you don't necessarily look at the things that are going really well, because if it's going well, keep doing what you're doing it's those areas where you're having that struggle or that impact or that positivity isn't there, that you need to dive a little bit deeper into and look at those belief patterns and write them out. Yeah, I believe this, I believe that, and there's definitely materials out there and I'm sure inside your book is a similar process to help people go through that and talking about that.

Speaker 1:

The next question I have for you is around negativity. You know the world right now. It seems to be negative and you say that the human existence has negativity, that the human existence has negativity in there already, like us as human beings. So what is it about that? You can expand on that. Negativity is necessary.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, I think one of the big premise, um, well, one thing like the name of my book, purposely positive. I still like the name, but I also don't want people to think that it's like, oh, this book's about just pretending you're happy all the time, you know, that's how it adds. I actually think the opposite is, um, I think every emotion there's a reason that we have those and we were given those by God or whatever your belief system is. There's a reason those are in there and no matter what it is, there's a purpose, right. And so I don't think we I think, as a culture, a lot of times we think that negativity all the time is this bad thing and we should push it away. And really that's evolutionary, that we're supposed to be afraid of certain things, you know, and a lot of people look at fear as a negative emotion and it's only negative if it freezes you really. But, um, and honestly, like I talk about in the book, is the some of the fears we have as humans, you know, evolutionary with, like us, the same fear response that we have from running from a saber-toothed tiger is the same fear we have, the same fear response we have of getting on stage and talking to people. You know we not going to die, none of that's going to happen. We're not going to eat lunch for something, but the fear still paralyzes us and it doesn't propel us into action. So to me, negative thoughts or negative emotions are just a way to inspire change. I mean honestly, the reason we have those negative things is because we're supposed to do something with them. It's not we should push them away. It's like okay, well, if, if I'm afraid of this certain thing, either I overcome that fear or I back away because I should be afraid of it, you know, and so I don't. I think the big thing is is using these negative emotions that are dubbed negative to actually teach us things or to propel us towards something Like.

Speaker 2:

I make a distinction about guilt versus shame in the book and they're very different. People kind of use those as a synonym sometimes, but guilt when you like, if you did something wrong, guilt should say okay, I'm not going to do that again and you learn from that. Guilt. Shame is I did something wrong and I'm a horrible person. I'm just going to hold on to that for the rest of my life and that's not positive at all, you know.

Speaker 2:

So there's a distinction between the two, as the negative emotions are there in order to propel a change and to help us become something, or become to learn from it, I guess and become who we want to become, I guess the best way to describe it. So my my thing in the book is, I think that negativity, or any negative emotion, is built in to help protect us from something or from from things. Um, it's just a matter of what we do with it, and I don't think we should get rid of all the negative emotions because they're trying to teach us things, but we also need to acknowledge them and help them. I mean, let them help us instead of letting them feed themselves. That's the best thing, I think.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think it comes back to what we were talking about earlier, with negativity almost in the fact that it's an emotion. It will come and go right, just like fear it comes and it goes. It is an emotion. It's neither good nor bad. It is part of the human experience, and what can we do with that? So you mentioned the word purpose. It's a very loaded word. I think some people love it and some people hate it and it's very misunderstood. So what is your perspective on purpose, particularly around with it being purposely positive?

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So I think that one of the easiest things for me when I ask that question is to what it's not. I don't think that everybody should know their purpose on life, in life, from the day they're born or by the time they're 20 or 30 or anything like that, and I don't think purpose is necessarily tied to a vocation. Anyway, me, my purpose, that I believe I'm here, is just to help inspire others and to serve humanity. That's what my purpose is, you know, and that how I, what I just choose to do with my life that can touch into that purpose, could be a thousand different things. You know I'm like I'm a chiropractor and I wrote a book, and that those are two ways that help me connect to my purpose. But I don't think that everybody, if you don't know your purpose right now, it's okay. I guess I'm trying to say that you know. But there's, if there's things that you feel good doing, whether that's even just talking with somebody else, whether it is something that you're actually actively doing, there's probably a hint of purpose in there, if it lights you up inside. You know, I think that we all the purpose of our lives there's something is, I don't know, be happy, but there's things that make you feel good when you do them or when you think them or when you feel them, and I think that the purpose is connected to those in there somehow, and I think you can really delve into. Well, why do I feel good when I do this certain thing? And if you delve more into that, you'll probably get down to this. There's a hint of your purpose inside of that.

Speaker 2:

I guess a long-winded answer is I don't think anybody necessarily, or everybody necessarily necessarily, needs to know their purpose in life as it's connected to a job. You know, I think that that's a mistake that a lot of people make is well, I don't know what I want to do and therefore, you know, I feel like I'm a bad human being or I'm supposed to know my. I have two boys, and they're both and one just graduated high school and one's a junior in high school, and a lot of the classmates there think they know what they want to do at age 15 and that's great, but I think a lot of them don't have a clue. You know, there's so much life to to change at that point and, um, they think that their purpose is a certain thing, but paths diverge like crazy, and I think the big thing is is following what feels good in your heart and soul and the purpose comes from that. Really is what I think.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think again, it's quite misunderstood in that people feel like there's a life purpose and I need to find it, and once I find it then I'll be happy and then that's my purpose forever. And I think purpose can change significantly. You know, we've talked about your life.

Speaker 1:

you mentioned already that you you did have a training, personal training um degree or whatever you call it, a certification, um, and then and, and now you're a chiropractor, but then you, you've also become an author, um, and you have two kids, and so purpose doesn't have to be this big, huge thing that we have to find and that life is not meaningful until we do. Like it is created over time and it changes all the time, and I think even if you have the thought process around thinking what is my purpose? Like, that's probably the biggest step. It's being intentional around it or being purposely positive. I love it.

Speaker 2:

It's like like you're saying that you know it. You never necessarily have to have that one answer about my purposes, cause, like you said, I think it evolves over time, no matter what, and I think that at any given moment, you can find purpose in what you're doing. You know whether it's hanging out with your friends, whether it's going on a walk, whether it's working at, you know, the subway sandwich station.

Speaker 2:

You can find some purpose there, you know, and I think that one of the easiest ones that I think is, I guess in my mind I feel like is lacking in humanity because it's so divided in so many different ways right now and all these different categories it's like there's a and there's z and it's hard to get to, you know, like d because they're so separate is if we can find out. Well, what am I doing right now that's helping somebody else, even in a small way, and I think that purpose is is you're going to feel better if you can connect that you know like, if you're like I said, if you're at a subway sandwich restaurant and you're working a horrible shift and nobody's there, but you're making that person a sandwich and it makes you feel good when you hand them that sandwich, with purpose inside of that. So I think that anything we do, we can find purpose in as long as we delve into how does it provide us?

Speaker 1:

absolutely, yeah, being, uh, the show's major audience being health care professionals. I believe like the underlying purpose probably for most of us is helping people, uh, and and and. In reality, that's probably for most people not even just health professionals something to do with helping people. So, uh, if you're kind of struggling to figure out what that might be, then maybe explore that question how do I help people? And then how do I help people in a way that makes me feel good as well? And if you can answer that question, then you're probably going in the right direction, sure and I think that's a good point and I did that sorry to cut you off that you.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't have to be a big, grandiose answer. You know like I'm helping people because I'm saving thousands of lives at the er right now. You know that's awesome, but it also could be I'm helping this one person because I made them happier. Now it's just this. To me it's the same feeling.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, uh, you know different, different levels, different things, but human existence, human human emotion and moving forward, being positive. We talked a little bit about you. Know your journey throughout and the number of things that you've done. You've got two kids, you know, at an age where they're very malleable, and so there's a lot of input there. What is your perspective on work-life balance? What does that mean to you?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so that's great. I mean I think that I'm lucky, I'm blessed, I mean I have my own practice, but I work three and a half days, and so I have, I work three and a half, I'm off three and a half and eventually I think we'll probably go down to work in three days. And I feel, you know, to some patients are you know, you get that little jab like why aren't you coming in on Fridays? I'm always, I always need you on Fridays, you know.

Speaker 2:

But really it's, if I was working more time right now in my life, I would give worse care to my patients on Monday, tuesday, wednesday, because I want to have time to recharge with my family and recreate, which is, you know, recreation is really recreating. And so really the balance comes in. What? How can I be lit up at work to be able to help my family and how can I be lit up with my family to help me, you know? And so I think that the balance and it's not that easy for a lot of people, I know, if you, if you have a 40 hour job and you have to clock in, clock out per se, you can still create that I think that you know the key is to well one you can't be a different person at your job than you are at home.

Speaker 2:

I don't think that would work in the long run. Your integrity has to be there. You have to be the same person or it's not going to work. One way or the other they're going to fall apart. You know one of those pillars is going to break if you're trying to be too different. No-transcript, it's not going to work, you know. So I think, again, self self care comes into that and doing things that help you stay joyful and inspired intentionally not to use the book again, but again, doing things like that, uh, um, on purpose, to wake up and decide that you're going to create your life and then you kind of makes it a lot easier in the long run instead of just waking up and hitting snooze a few times and then going in and then being tired when you come home. So it's easier said than done, I think. But I also think, like we said, if you take smaller steps into that, those lead, those lead to bigger rewards.

Speaker 1:

On that balance between you know if you can find your purpose and passion with other people, whether that's work or at home, or, you know, doing whatever you're going to be okay yeah, I mean, when you think about it, the there's a third one that jumps in, but the ones we're talking about today is, you spend most of your life either at work or with your family yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the third one is sleeping, but we're not talking about that today, you know, with your work and your family, and so what I would highly recommend is jump on Amazon, grab the book Purposely Positive, because it may give you that right direction to start to question what it means to live intentionally and to live with inspiration. So you know, thank you so much for being on the show, joel. I think the listeners will get a lot out of that and help you to create some purpose, passion, inspiration and intention in your life. So thank you for being on the show.

Speaker 2:

Thank you.

Speaker 1:

I appreciate it. Thanks, and we'll see you again for another episode of Questioning Authority soon. Thanks for listening to this episode of Questioning Authority. I hope you enjoyed the show. Stay tuned for the next one coming out soon. This episode has been brought to you by the Authority Co. Helping service providers increase authority and revenue. Check out theauthoritycocom for more info.